president obama talked about jason collins. the first nba player to come out of the closet. let's listen to the president. >> i had a chance to talk to him yesterday. he seems like a terrific young man, and yeah, i couldn't be prouder. one of the extraordinary measures of progress that we've seen in this country has been the recognition that lgbt deserves full equality. >> michael: karl, do you think the president's evolution on the situation made it easier for collins to come out this way? >> i think it made it easier for everybody. when the president says you're okay it goes a long way. it's been great to see so many people universally across the board praising collins for his courageous right wingers. oh, you you have a few right wingers say, oh, what are they going to do in the locker room showers. i think this is a remarker first step, and i think it's the only the first of many to come. i think we'll see nfl players in the next year, and perhaps more nba players once they realize there is nothing to fear, and it could actually help their careers. >> michael: and collin